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***HEY KENTUCKY ****Draud: Raise tax on smokes
http://kypost.com/2002/feb/15/nutax021502.html ^ | 02-15-02 | By Courtney Kinney,, Post Frankfort Bureau chief

Posted on 02/15/2002 1:59:09 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK

Draud: Raise tax on smokes


By Courtney Kinney,, Post Frankfort Bureau chief

FRANKFORT - Northern Kentucky Rep. Jon Draud and a handful of other state lawmakers want smokers to pay 44 cents more a pack for cigarettes, a move they say will curb teen smoking and also generate enough money to give raises to teachers.

''I'm not interested in trying to reform adults. But kids are very vulnerable,'' said Draud, R-Crestview Hills, on Thursday just before heading to a rally at the Capitol, where 400 high school students cheered on the increase.

Rep. Mary Lou Marzian, D-Louisville, is also a primary sponsor of the bill, which would target not only cigarettes but also other tobacco products, including chewing tobacco and snuff.

Kentucky has the highest percentage of middle school smokers in the country. Besides cutting down on youth smoking, the measure would also generate $200 million in new revenues, which the state could use for teacher raises, mental health initiatives and other issues that may not get funded in these tight budget times.

''We're really at a crossroads in education again because we don't have any money,'' said Draud, a former local school superintendent. ''This would resolve that problem.''

But many other legislators are saying it's unlikely such a measure could pass the legislature, which remains a strong supporter of tobacco farmers.

''At this time, I don't see the bill having a lot of support,'' said Rep. Tom McKee, D-Cynthiana, who is also a tobacco farmer.

Proposed tax increases have found little support in the General Assembly of late. The Senate, controlled by Republicans, has repeatedly expressed its disinterest in raising taxes.

The governor has also stayed away from the issue. First Lady Judi Patton spoke against youth smoking at the rally, but didn't speak for or against raising the excise tax. Gov. Paul Patton hasn't taken a position.

But Draud and the other lawmakers sponsoring the bill say raising the tax would only tax smokers, not the general public, and would limit kids' access to tobacco products.

''This is a tax, but it's only a tax that comes out of smokers' pockets,'' said Rep. Ira Branham, D-Pikeville. Kentucky's cigarette tax is the second-lowest in the country at 3 cents per pack.

The bill, which was filed Thursday, would raise it to 47 cents per pack. That's just above the national average of 45.4 cents per pack.

In Kentucky, a pack of cigarettes now costs about $3.50.

McKee said raising the tax would further hurt an already struggling industry.

Tobacco farmers have seen their quotas slashed in recent years and most are turning to other crops to make their livings.

''It seems like just another slap on the face to the tobacco industry, from the farmer to the (tobacco) company to the consumer,'' he said.

Other representatives sponsoring the bill are: Thomas Burch, D-Louisville; Tim Feeley, R-Crestwood; Kathy Stein, D-Lexington; and Jim Wayne, D-Louisville.

Cigarette excise taxes

Kentucky's excise tax is the second lowest in the country at 3 cents per pack. Only Virginia is lower, at 2.5 cents a pack.

The state with the highest tax is Washington, where a $1.42 tax was set earlier this year.

New York will become the highest in April when a new law raises its tax to $1.50 a pack.

Ohio's tax is 24 cents a pack and Indiana's is 15.5 cents.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: kentucky; pufflist

1 posted on 02/15/2002 1:59:09 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: *puff_list;**Kentucky
bti
2 posted on 02/15/2002 2:03:06 PM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
But Draud and the other lawmakers sponsoring the bill say raising the tax would only tax smokers, not the general public, and would limit kids' access to tobacco products.

What are these fockers going to do when there are no more smokers to tax.

Yeh like these kids that buy $200 on a pair of sneakers are going to blink at a 44 cent hike in a pack of cigarettes.

3 posted on 02/15/2002 3:34:02 PM PST by Just another Joe
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
but also other tobacco products, including chewing tobacco and snuff.

Alright now!! As a user of smokeless tobacco, this is going too far

4 posted on 02/15/2002 3:37:14 PM PST by billbears
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To: Just another Joe
Yeh like these kids that buy $200 on a pair of sneakers are going to blink at a 44 cent hike in a pack of cigarettes.

Shoot, Joe, these little darlins don't buy their smokes anyway. They steal them. Saves their money for buying ecstasy.

5 posted on 02/15/2002 3:49:12 PM PST by Max McGarrity
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To: Max McGarrity; the irate magistrate; Pocat; Liberty's Pen; SLB; logos; Lion Den Dan
''I'm not interested in trying to reform adults. But kids are very vulnerable,'' said Draud, R-Crestview Hills, on Thursday just before heading to a rally at the Capitol, where 400 high school students cheered on the increase.

I wonder which mush-head teacher or administrator arranged for this during a school day. This was getting lots of local TV coverage yesterday evening. I'm certain it'll die on the vine.

7 posted on 02/15/2002 3:58:52 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
''We're really at a crossroads in education again because we don't have any money,'' said Draud, a former local school superintendent. ''This would resolve that problem.''

But-but-but--I thought the lottery was supposed to fund edukashun. Are lottery sales flat?

8 posted on 02/15/2002 4:08:10 PM PST by Morgan's Raider
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To: Fred Mertz
Don't be so sure it'll die on the vine, Fred. Our OWN Insider
9 posted on 02/15/2002 7:26:02 PM PST by Max McGarrity
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To: one_particular_harbour; fred mertz
Draud, is the quintessence of a RINO.

Too bad he so goofy because, he's basically a likeable guy.

10 posted on 02/16/2002 8:24:41 PM PST by the irate magistrate
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
This smoker/tobacco taxation ought to be a required case study of how the power to tax is the power to destory.

The next target will be the beef industry, with a cholesterol tax...be prepared it's coming--oh, yes, it is...

11 posted on 02/16/2002 8:29:38 PM PST by CreekerFreeper
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To: CreekerFreeper
They are attempting to raise the tax 1500%. I don't see this having much support in our legislature, especially in the Senate. Still, I've been surprised before...
12 posted on 02/16/2002 8:38:09 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
Overall, Kentucky has the third highest combined tax rate in the U.S. Nothing is suprising...
13 posted on 02/16/2002 8:41:32 PM PST by CreekerFreeper
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To: the irate magistrate
Too bad he so goofy because, he's basically a likeable guy.

I've caught his tv program a time or two. Knew he was dorky, didn't know he was a Representative.

We've only lived here a couple of years. The first time I called my local guy (Roeding), I was shocked to find it was his house! I chatted with his wife one day. Seem to be pleasant people.

14 posted on 02/16/2002 8:53:26 PM PST by Dianna
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To: CreekerFreeper
Overall, Kentucky has the third highest combined tax rate in the U.S. Nothing is suprising...

Just registered my new car...eek! I giggled a little at the Kentucky tax forms though. They'll figure the tax table for ya until you hit 50,000, then you're on your own. LOL!

15 posted on 02/16/2002 8:57:32 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Dianna
I talked with Dick at the state GOP Lincoln Day dinner tonight about a foolish anti-liberty bill that he's sponsoring in the Senate about allowing meetings in closed sessions. Very ill-advised.

He's disallusioned that we ranted about it this morning at the local legislative caucus.

It's been reported in bad favor in the Ky Post and the Lex Herald Leader for the last few days.

16 posted on 02/16/2002 9:07:12 PM PST by the irate magistrate
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To: Dianna
They are indeed delightful folks. You will really like them when you meet them.
17 posted on 02/16/2002 9:10:06 PM PST by the irate magistrate
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Personally, as an ex-smoker, I could care less what the price of various forms of tobacco cost.

However, on general principles, I oppose this idea. Specifically that this onerous tax is needed because education is 'out of money' again. SPEW!! KY could spend 10 billion a year on education and it would not be enough! Education in KY is the best example of wasteful and inefficient use of my tax dollars.

18 posted on 02/17/2002 7:06:28 AM PST by upchuck
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To: one_particular_harbour
Those signs are Patton's only education accomplishment! And it was an outrage the Hearns got off so easily.
20 posted on 02/17/2002 7:14:11 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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